Attorney General Pam Bondi has left her top job at the Justice Department. President Trump announced the restructuring in a social media post.
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Pam Bondi has stepped down as attorney general. President Trump announced today that he would be leaving the Justice Department’s top job in a social media post. He called Bondi a great American patriot and a loyal friend. NPR justice correspondent Ryan Lucas is here to tell us what we know. Hello, Ryan.
RYAN LUCAS, BYLINE: Hello.
DETROW: There had been talk about Pam Bondi’s status for a while, but this afternoon, just this afternoon President Trump announced that she was out. What did he say?
LUCAS: So in his social media post announcing this, Trump offered a couple kind words for Bondi. He said she had done a tremendous job overseeing what he called a massive crackdown on crime. He said, quote, “we love Pam.” And he said she will transition to a much-needed and important new job in the private sector. Those are his exact words. He didn’t say what it would be, only that it would be announced later. And he also said Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche will step in as acting attorney general.
DETROW: I guess all those positive words make me wonder why you’re leaving your position. Did you give any explanation as to why you were removing her from this high-profile position?
LUCAS: You know, he didn’t. But look, there’s been a lot of frustration over Bondi’s leadership at the Justice Department. This includes in particular his handling of Jeffrey Epstein’s files. Early in his term, Bondi spoke about the Epstein file. He once infamously said on Fox News that Epstein’s client list was on his desk waiting to be reviewed. And then a few months after that, the Department of Justice and the FBI came out and said there was no such client list.
The department also initially declined to release any additional material from Epstein’s files. That generated many adverse reactions. This led Congress to pass a law requiring the Department of Justice to make those files public. Then the department missed the deadline to make those files public, and that generated a lot of frustration on Capitol Hill among Democrats and, it must be said, among many Republicans as well. So Bondi’s mishandling of all of this helped turn the Epstein files into a huge political headache for the president, for his administration, and that headache hasn’t gone away.
DETROW: And that was just a frustration. What are some of the other things that contributed?
LUCAS: Well, look, President Trump has been quite open about his desire for the Justice Department to use its vast powers to attack his perceived political enemies. He even openly instructed Bondi in a social media post last fall to hurry up and get to work. And it must be said that the Department of Justice has opened investigations into Trump’s alleged opponents. There are Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell, California Democratic Senator Adam Schiff, and former CIA Director John Brennan. Of course, there’s also former FBI Director James Comey and New York Attorney General Letitia James. That’s just a partial list.
But the Justice Department has struggled to succeed in these efforts. At this point, Comey and James are the only two who were convicted, and a court later dismissed both cases because it found that the prosecutor who had secured them was illegally appointed. The president campaigned on revenge against his political enemies, and the department’s failures on that front under Bondi appeared to be a source of frustration for him.
DETROW: Let’s back up a second because you’ve filed a lot of reports over the past year on this topic. Bondi headed the Justice Department for 14 months. How much has the department changed under your leadership?
LUCAS: The changes have been enormous and in many different ways. At a high level, the Justice Department has traditionally been to some extent independent of the White House. This is particularly true when it comes to investigations, and it is to try to insulate them from partisan politics. Bondi threw that independence out the window. As we just talked about, the department has focused on the president’s perceived enemies. And then, more broadly, the last 14 months have been an incredibly chaotic time at the Department of Justice. Career prosecutors and FBI officials have been fired, entire sections of the department have been dismantled, and the department’s credibility in the courts has also been affected, as we have seen in court rulings by exasperated judges across the country. Now, the man who will replace Bondi, at least for now, is Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche. Like I said, he’s also a Trump loyalist. He is Trump’s former personal lawyer and has had power in the department during this administration. So the trajectory is unlikely to change with this restructuring for now.
DETROW: NPR’s Ryan Lucas, thank you very much for your report.
LUCAS: Thank you.
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